Friday, February 24, 2006

Hidden Messages in Water (Part 2)

Dr Davinder Singh Panesar was a treat. His lecturing skills were award worthy – well, at least a free Rocky’s burger worthy – the audience was on the edge of their seats throughout the lecture. He called upon a heavily bearded Singh from the crowd to help with the slides, and gave him the name “my lovely assistant Debby” which was actually quite funny! However, much to my dismay “the lovely assistant Debby” did not do a twirl and a dance at the end of the performance :o(

Ok now lets get serious. Dr D started off with a controversial claim:

“I will prove that Guru Nanak did not believe in God!”

Hmmm……non of the Singhs in the front row got up to punch him, so I thought I would let the guy go on. He went on to explain that to have believe there must have been a doubt, therefore, Nanak did not believe in God, rather he was God. This still sounds strange! Well, his argument was of looking within yourself to find God, instead of believing in an entity with a white beard living in the clouds.

A 2 hour lecture will be impossible to blog about, so I’ll just touch on some of the issues.
He went on to elaborate on quantum physics and the notion of parallel universes, and that scientists have studied sub atomic particle and state that what we see is not really there (a very Matrix like theory), he claimed that science has categorically proven the existence of God. He mentioned the physically impossible feat that the new Buddha boy in Nepal is currently performing. Talked about the Washington experiment whereby a group claimed that they will reduce the crime in Washington by 20% through transindental meditation. 40 times they did this experiment and 40 times the crime was reduced by 23%!
He mentioned that we are all linked together, a butterfly flaps its wings in one corner of the earth will have a significant effect on something in another corner of the world.

Ahhh too much to write about but time to go home!

Next time will write about Hidden Messages in Water – a book by Masaru Emoto. I read it a few months ago – it got a good mention in yesterdays lecture.


satvinder said...

hmnnn butterfly flaps it's wings... is that a demonstration of chaos theory? Wonder how that relates to parallel world theory. Interesting stuff... although me still sceptical about science's interest in the divine and it's "need" to "proove" that the divine exists. Why isn't it enough to just know that the divine does exist?

Interesting stuff though preet. Thanks for sharing.

ss said...

Indeed the butterfly effect is one example of chaos theory, which is representative of the general theory that small changes within a system can have very large impacts elsewhere within the system.

I'm not sure there is really any direct correlaton to the parallel world theory, other than if there is a parallel world then it must have it's own butterflies flapping their wings and

Chaos theory is much banded about but outside of fractal applications in music and art I've seen very little real work application.

Right having established that I'm a bit of a science nut (even if I don't understand it or am able to explain it) I'm going to go on and say that we don't need to draw parallels between science and religion.

I'm not sure that we need the approval of science to backup our beliefs. Science is a constantly evolving affair and ideas that seem crazy one day are acceptable the next, it's in a constant state of flux and anyone who says that science has all the answers is as wrong as those who refute all science.

There is cross over and there is departure - thats find by me. I long ago gave up trying to use one to prove the other.

I usually go to as many Sikhi week presentations as I can but I decided that this one held very little of interest to me; and being off sick helped stay away :-0

Science and religion, sure both exist.

Do I need science to support my religious believes - no.

Do I need my religion to backup scienctific theories - no.

What about when they overlap - hey it's cool with me.

Thanks for sharing Preet. Incidently who is Dr Panesar, what does he teach and where? I've never come across him before.

Preet said...

Thanks SS Paaji for the informative comment. I find the science/religion relationship quite fascinating. But i totally agree 'Why isn't it enough to just know that the divine does exist?'

Do I need science to believe there is a God! oh NO
Do i believe science is just another path to the discovery of God? well, yeah.
Science forms a great big part of our lives, and if it means that its just another branch of religion then wooohoo! great!

Dr Davinder is new to me - first time ive come across him. Not sure what he teaches, but he does have a Sikhi Week lecture tonight. CHeck for sikhi week timetable.